Following today’s loss to Alinghi, Team New Zealand have lodged a protest with the Jury, regarding rule 31.6:
“Mainsails shall be able to be lowered to the deck without the necessity of a crew member going aloft.”
Rule 31.6 is designed as a safety measure, to ensure that the yachts can lower their main from the deck during an emergency.
This protest followed events after the race where the Measurement Committee asked Alinghi to lower their mailsail as part of routine measurement tests. In particular, they were concerned with the halyard lock at the top of the mast.
The Measurement Committee could have protested a potential breach of the rule themselves, but decided not to proceed.
Updated: the Jury will hear the protest at 2pm local time tomorrow.
June 28, 2007 at 5:09 am |
Hi Peter!!! I have just said the same thing in the other post.. I am very upset, and I have met the problem as I saw the images on tv!!! I think Alinghi is not so honest, probably It hides something. I hope the jury will punish the swiss team !!!!!!!!!!
I WANT THE RACE TO REPEAT!!!!
June 28, 2007 at 5:21 am |
I am a rabid TNZ fan but surely this is so far beyond ‘technical’ it’s not worth writing about???
June 28, 2007 at 5:39 am |
the rules must be respected by all the teams….As everybody knows yesterday Alinghi protested about the weather conditions, talking about a “Las Vegas” game, so I think that ETNZ has all the rights to protest according the rule 31.6
June 28, 2007 at 7:22 am |
Damnnnnnnnn!! 2-2
For Christ’s sake!!! Is Dean Barker ever going to make a real good start?????????????
One more start fu***d up, problems with the gennaker, problems with the genoa…
What a bummer! had they not suffered those slips and the race would be theirs
Since the semi-finals I only remember one start clearly won by Dean Baker. It was the last race against Desafío Español, that day with heavy wind…
ENZ get the yellow flag tomorrow. Guys!!! make a good start!!!
Go New Zealand!!!
June 28, 2007 at 7:42 am |
Hello? Deano got the start spot on. They both did. It was a weather call and the right paid off…
June 28, 2007 at 8:00 am |
Terry Hutchinson, on being asked if he agreed with Butterworth’s assessment of race 3 as being akin to a lottery, fired back: “No! He loses a race because of spectators and because of windshifts. That would be like me saying we lost the race today because the wind went right.”
June 28, 2007 at 8:06 am |
really?
and did he yesterday for instance? he got the yellow flag and lost 8 seconds (!!) nevertheless
And yeah, it was a weather call… But he was never up to the point of gaining the best starting position, which , indeed, was the right.
ENZ is sailing beautifully but they are not making great starts. They are winning races by coming from behind -most of them- but for this to happen your opponent must make a mistake and that, my friend, does not happen every day…
Cheers
June 28, 2007 at 8:19 am |
Hey Alex, I’m with Julian.
Dean has been sailing the boat really quite nicely.
We lost cos we got the weather call wrong. If we had cross in front on the 1st beat, then we would have won!
I don’t think ETNZ expect Adinghy to get penalised for this technical breach, so I can only assume that they are just rattling cages to upset their rhythm.
June 28, 2007 at 8:56 am |
I agree Jays. It’s just suspicious that Alinghi told the host broadcaster to back-off when they crossed the line.
June 28, 2007 at 9:34 am |
Hey Julian
Not so suspicious. Adinghy have been “prickly” for weeks now.
If its not the media, its the “aggressive” NZ fans or the nationality rules.
I just wish all this added pressure would hurry up and cause them to collapse.
June 28, 2007 at 9:53 am |
Hi Guys. So now we KNOW we cannot beat Alinghi in a straight-line drag race. They have a slight speed edge. And, Brad now has realised that SUI100 is NOT a rocket ship – which is why in last night’s race he didn’t give ETNZ room to move.
Actually he did – and then ETNZ made gains. But Brad is no fool guys, He knows if he puts a tight cover on ETNZ they will find it almost impossible to get out from under him.
But what a regatta eh? Who’d have thought it would go to 2 All? Certainly not me.
This protest should go ETNZ’s way and the race should be re-sailed. Cheers, David G.
June 28, 2007 at 9:54 am |
Wrong weather call. This was an almost perfect text book match race. The one on the right was always going to win. That’s what it happened. No fault from Dean that has been doing brilliantly lately.
T Hutchinson summed it up nicely: “If there was an opportunity presented to us we would have taken it. No opportunities were presented, so they won the race.”
June 28, 2007 at 9:56 am |
Ciao, Vale. I agree with you about ETNZ’s protest. They broke the explicit instruction NOT to send a man up the mast. They have to suffer the consequences. Ciao, David G.
June 28, 2007 at 10:00 am |
How can the measurement committee ask for the sail to be dropped without assistance and then let a man up the mast for ANY reason. The point of the exercise is to see the sail coming down with no one assisting aloft. Clearly for what every reason Alinghi couldn’t or wouldn’t comply; ETNZ dropped the sail with out a man aloft in the same sea state.
When doing these TESTS I would have thought you would stick to what you have asked even if they have explained why they didn’t want to drop it(because of sea state). ETNZ dropped it; the committee wasn’t worried about them getting damage to the sail. When Alingi sent a man up the mast either they broke the rules or the committee made a massive mistake (allowing a man to go aloft in a test) and therefore should be sacked.
Either way you cannot take back what the commitee has allowed, Spain got a re run ETNZ should too.
June 28, 2007 at 10:04 am |
Agree, Andrew. Right on the money there.
June 28, 2007 at 10:05 am |
Hey guys, sorry to be painful but I just can’t see them ordering a re-race or anything like that.
At worst, Adinghy will be told not to be naughty.
At the end of the day, they asked for permission to send the guy up there and got it. This is the race officials fault.
If Adinghy are hiding something (unlikely I suspect), then that is a different matter.
Just keep the faith guys. Todays race showed that while there probably is a slight speed advantage to SUI-100 its not enough that we CAN’T possibly win this thing.
June 28, 2007 at 10:06 am |
Hey Jays. You didn’t sleep in then? I guess it’s going to be a nail biter right to the end. The first to three. Wow. Can you say P R E S S U R E.
June 28, 2007 at 10:08 am |
But the point is Jays. If they WERE hiding something – how will we now know?
June 28, 2007 at 10:09 am |
And don’t forget the Jury can over-rule the measurers. We’ve seen that before!
June 28, 2007 at 10:19 am |
Hey Dave, nope I didnt sleep in this time!
I just couldn’t do that after being such a bloody idiot yesterday!
I hear what your saying about the Jury, I just personally don’t think they will do it.
To me, its like being told by the police to put your hands on your head.
And then asking permission to scratch your butt.
If the cop gives you permission to do it, what complaint can he possibly have when you do?
June 28, 2007 at 10:22 am |
The problem is now they cant really do the test again, i’m sure changes have already been made to Alinghi’s sail plan. So how would a Jury correct the mess the measurers have allowed. Alinghi will just keep arguing they were allowed by commitee to send someone aloft any way…whats the point of the random check …….
lol maybe they had to unplug the main from the batteries (re the speacial fibres someone mentioned on this site) lol.
June 28, 2007 at 10:26 am |
The thing that REALLY worries me about this whole situation is that ETNZ might be losing focus of what is important.
I would hate them to start becoming litigious and lose track of the main objective of beating these b$stards on the water!
They have a GREAT team dynamic going, lets not stuff it up.
That said, it is possible that this protest MIGHT unsettle Adinghy, and that might be the primary motivation.
June 28, 2007 at 10:27 am |
Yeah, it is similiar situation than that between Mascalzone and Desafio Espanol in round robin II. That race was re-sailed. This one should be as well.
The worrying news for ETNZ: today’s conditions were perfect for them and they lost.
June 28, 2007 at 10:31 am |
hey alex, don’t stress too much ok?
Im not saying its great that we lost, but we really didnt seem to lose due to lack of boat speed. It was down to the wrong weather call and a couple of sloppy gybes.
Not ideal, but we can FIX the gybes and weather calls, we can’t do a hell of a lot about boat speed.
June 28, 2007 at 10:36 am |
Youre absolutely right Jays. Let’s stop trying this straight-line drag race crap and turn it into a street brawl. We’re not going to win this f*!#ing thing by being ‘nice’!!!!!!
Check out this post guys (“Butter found his balls) – this guy is p*!!ed off:
http://www.sailinganarchy.com/index_page1.php
June 28, 2007 at 10:42 am |
Hey Dave, that guy kinda seems like a maniac!
June 28, 2007 at 10:58 am |
Hehehe. I think you may be right, Jays. But he is completely wrong in his assessment in my opinion. Don’t worry about ETNZ losing site of the reason they’re there, Jays. These guys know EXACTLY why they’re in ValeNZia.
Grant Dalton is well within his rights to question Alinghi’s handling of the main sail drop. The measurers were wrong to allow the guy to go up the mast and attach a halyard, after Reggio told them they couldn’t. And in any case, if the protest upsets Alinghi – so much the better!
Remember Paul Cayards protest over the way TNZ’s “Little red sled” bow sprit was used – turned the whole outcome of that regatta in San Diego around.
Rules is rules!!!!!
June 28, 2007 at 11:02 am |
David,
I’ve been reading the sailing anarchy site for a while. And don’t take what the guy writes t0o seriously.
He’s mission in life is to stir it up. Sometimes he has cool comments. Sometimes he is just plain wrong.
Previously he wrote that BB didn’t have his brains functioning properly and now goes on with the protest issue and the nationality rules. I tend to ignore that type of “tabloid” opinion.
I don’t know what the Jury is going to do tonight. But if they decide that there will be a re race, well, it will be valid. A rule was broken. Protest lodged. Final Jury decision. End of the story.
Again this sort of thing happens at any yacht club any where in the world almost every weekend. This is sailing. I love it.
Of course I love it more when things go ETNZ way but I will still love sailing and the AC event even when things don’t go our way.
June 28, 2007 at 11:09 am |
Yep! I remember “bow-sprit gate” quite clearly.
That completely rattled our cage. But in the end, it didnt matter cos their was no way any of the defenders were gonna beat Bill Koch.
That boat was simply a lot faster than anything else out there.
I don’t think Adinghy will get upset about this protest unless they are significantly penalised because of it, and as I said before I really don’t see that happening.
June 28, 2007 at 11:10 am |
Hey, my thoughts on what we saw with the man up the pole.
It appears that Alinghi did clear up sending that man up with the measurement person, so as long as at the top of the mast he performed what had been allowed I think that it would be unfair to punish Alinghi, if however video footage or otherwise can show that is not true and that he did perform something that he was not meant to I feel that Alinghi should be punished heavily for an illegal rig and blantantly lying to the measure ment person.
June 28, 2007 at 11:12 am |
Good call, Tom
June 28, 2007 at 11:19 am |
100% agree with Tom
jmix,
what are you talking about…? i havent been sleeping much lately and honestly i dont get what you are trying to say.
June 28, 2007 at 11:23 am |
Could he mean Peter Lester, Andy? I hope not. Hehehe.
June 28, 2007 at 11:32 am |
No problem with the protest. The bow sprit issue in San Diego was more a technicality than a signiifcant performance advantage, but boy, did it “rattle” NZ, and we all know what happened! All major pro sports employ psychological “warfare”, look at the Aussies “sledging” in cricket. Go ETNZ, rattle away!
June 28, 2007 at 11:33 am |
dunno, may be…
June 28, 2007 at 11:41 am |
Considering they cleared it with the measurement committee I really can’t see them getting anything more than a wet bus ticket. The protest seems to be more about pissing Alinghi off than anything else.
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People complaining about ETNZ’s boat speed; the wind went right more than it went left so of course they went faster. No need to break out the nooses and razor blades just yet.
June 28, 2007 at 11:44 am |
Yeah, go Carl!!!
Thats wot I was saying before! And we CAN do something about bad weather calls (hopefully
)
June 28, 2007 at 11:46 am |
Sorry Carl. I disagree about the boat speed thing. Alinghi appears to be able to sail higher and faster in the same piece of water. But it’s only a marginal speed difference I think.
June 28, 2007 at 11:47 am |
I hope so. One from four is hardly a fantastic record for weather calls, we absolutely need to start getting them right,
June 28, 2007 at 11:47 am |
But I also know that the fastest boat doesn’t always win the regatta!
June 28, 2007 at 11:49 am |
They had better VMG during the moments of good pressure, but so did we during ours. Ed managed to get too much sepperation during the start for us to soak in on them.
According to virtual spectator both boats had identical VMGs for that leg.
June 28, 2007 at 12:06 pm |
The post above by the person who is blaspheming and the shocking implication of swearing elswhere by people on this blog is not helping anyone or anything, and sure does not help TNZ win races.
This is a public place where all ages and peoples read, please give it the respect it deserves.
And remember especially who made the wind and controls the wind and water, we need everything going for us here with the AC and TNZ competition so give The Lord some respect, and honour!
June 28, 2007 at 12:11 pm |
Wot the hell is going on????
June 28, 2007 at 12:12 pm |
Will you guys please shut up about Alinghi being faster!!!!
The were in the same water for 16 minutes off the start and there was nothing between them.
Give it up!!!
June 28, 2007 at 12:14 pm |
odd comment day today, init?
June 28, 2007 at 12:17 pm |
I’m off early today.
Let’s hope for a re run. If it doesnt happen GO ETNZ!!!
3-2 is possible, then 4 and then Cup in a box with a sticker that says “Destination: Auckland, NZ”
see ya
June 28, 2007 at 12:19 pm |
Looks like we have some trolls under our bridge.
June 28, 2007 at 12:23 pm |
Paul. By all mean get down on your knees and pray for a win. We may need your “big guy’s help” – and yours of course. Cheers,
June 28, 2007 at 12:38 pm |
Thanks David G for your encouragement.
We sure need everything going for us with such tight races.
It’s no good bagging the competition for bad language if our supporters use it here as well.
It’s always easy to critise and pull something down, but it takes real skill to build something.
Just lets unite our best wishes for TNZ.
Go Team New Zealand
June 28, 2007 at 12:42 pm |
Who’s bagging? I found Brad’s outburst hillarious.
June 28, 2007 at 1:17 pm |
Back to the issues (there’s some weirdo’s here today!) I saw Jones pushing that sail down and he was doing more than attach a halyard, a shame the TV camera was right on him, NOT!! I think the jury will only slap them on the hand with a wet bus ticket though, I can’t see them re running the race.
Regarding the speed issue, frankly I didn’t see any advantage to Alinghi last night, the race was won and lost at the start. This talk about Deans “bad” starts is a load of garbage, it was started by the british media to try and get Ben on the boat and I am amased how many kiwis bought it. If you look at the stats Dean is doing just fine, I think these guys are now deserving of a bit of credit, stop flogging the dead horse, its really starting to stink.
June 28, 2007 at 1:31 pm |
Hey Daniel, I am in agreement with everything you just said (scary huh?)
If we had picked the right shift and got our nose in front 1st, then we would most likely have won that race.
And yep, there are some REALLY strange comments going on today.
Oh well, as long as they’re all back in the asylum by sun down, all is well!
June 28, 2007 at 1:43 pm |
Hmmmmmm. Interesting. I’m not yet convinced about the speed thing.
So tell me, Daniel. What do you think is ETNZ’s best strategy to win three more races?
June 28, 2007 at 1:44 pm |
Apart from relying on Paul’s prayers of course.
June 28, 2007 at 2:18 pm |
ETNZ does not need to change a thing though I would like to see Dean go for the jugular at the start. Baird hasn’t been pressured yet at the start and I think Dean could force him into a mistake.
The worrying part for Alingi is the 16 minute drag race the start was dead even with NZL.
Oh but I thought they were a rocket ship?
Guess not.
June 28, 2007 at 2:31 pm |
I will say David G, I don’t think Alinghi are slow, just that last night the speed was insignificant on the out come of the race. I am a bit concerned how we will go against them in over 14knts and flat water, with their more powerful hull shape they may have an advantage.
As far as strategy go’s I think they just have to stick to what they are doing, good start and get that first shift, I don’t think they need to go high risk to negate a speed edge, because so far it is not significant. We are still yet to see a standard sea breeze race, and I have always felt that TNZ aftergaurd were the best of the challengers in a typical sea breeze.
We have already forced Alinghi to change the way the way they wanted to sail against us, I rekon they thought they would have a significant speed edge, and they have been caught by suprise. I think we will win another race because of this, and I think we will win one from start to finish, which leaves that all important race 5.
This is going to be so intense!!!
June 28, 2007 at 2:36 pm |
Is that really you mr Coutts?
June 28, 2007 at 2:37 pm |
I don’t see the issue here. The rules says you have to be capable of releasing the halyard lock without sending a man up the rig. I don’t know of anyone who doubts that alinghi can meet that requirement. The rule does NOT state that you must do it at any time upon request regardless of the fact that this action might legitimately destroy your best mainsail. If I the measurers came on my boat in bumpy conditions and told me to let the main come crashing down without the maximum amount of control, I’d tell them to sod off, and invite them to come back the next day, with a practice main, and see how it works.
June 28, 2007 at 3:27 pm |
Hmmmm. OK BC. So then tell me why ETNZ complied with Reggio’s request, without any fuss and worry about damaging their main?
June 28, 2007 at 3:29 pm |
Hey Daniel. You make a good case (and I hope you’re right) but I still think we DO need to push it! Bugger being the nice guys. It’s time we showed Ernie and Brad we mean business. Hehehe. Cheers.
June 28, 2007 at 3:38 pm |
Hey Dave, I agree with you that they SHOULD have complied.
But at the end of the day, the got dispensation which means that they won’t be penalised.
The ones who SHOULD be penalised are the referees for providing them with dispensation.
And yeah, lets do whatever we can to whip these a-holes!!!!
If protesting upsets their little apple cart and throws them off their game, then so be it!
June 28, 2007 at 3:49 pm |
Hey Daniel. Mr Coutts indeed. Some tosser playing silly buggers more like.
On the other hand, if it is REALLY you, Mr Coutts, show me the holes in your hands and feet and the wound in your side, that I may believe. Hehehe.
June 28, 2007 at 3:55 pm |
Anybody know when the protest committee is likely to announce their verdict? And when we’ll hear about it?
June 28, 2007 at 3:57 pm |
Its actually TSFKARC (The sailor formerly known as Russell Coutts), but you can just call him Prince!
Dave, I think its kicking off 11pm our time, which means about 2am they should have a verdict.
If your are dead keen to find out, search for it on Google News. I find that most things are on their within 10 minutes of occuring!
June 28, 2007 at 4:26 pm |
Yes David G, I agree we do need to push it a bit, it would be good to see Dean put Baird under pressure every start, just not take huge risks going for the penalty which offten back fires. If we drop a few races they will need to have a go at a penalty though.
Re the mainsail thing, Muscalzone was forced to re sail a match even though their breach did not affect the result, so maybe something could be on here.
June 28, 2007 at 4:29 pm |
P.S If it winds old Smeegol up all the better!!!!!
June 28, 2007 at 4:30 pm |
It seems to me that the intention of the rule is that you should be able to get the main down *safely* without sending a man up the mast. Otherwise compliance could be demonstrated by letting the runners go and sending the mast over the side!
June 28, 2007 at 4:36 pm |
Good point, Neil. Maybe a fitting punishment from the Jury would be to get Alinghi to test your main drop theory. Ha, ha.
June 28, 2007 at 4:38 pm |
Maybe the punishment can be that they wait until is blowing 25 knots and send Ernie up the mast to release the main sail.
Sounds fair to me, how bout u guys?
June 28, 2007 at 6:40 pm |
Folks, as much as I’d like to see the committee dump Bertie’s win, it should not reasonably happen. An infraction (and clearly the lack of halyard, or whatever the lack is, is an infringement. But it has to be measured in context.
It is certainly not big enough to require the race to be sailed again, and it woulod be inequitable for the committee to simply fine Bertie, unless the fine was astronomical.
It seems to me that the fairest way to settle this would be to tag Bertie with a penalty which must be completed in a race of ETNZ’s choice.
That would be grand punishment, emotionally, because ETNZ could hold that dagger over black-heart’s heart till race X!
But I suspect a fairer way would be to have Bertie complete a penalty turn in the next race. If we’re aheasd, then the penalty will mean naught. If we’re behind it could cost Bertie the race.
Cheers
David.
June 28, 2007 at 6:50 pm |
Alinghi’s explanation is pretty weak. The sea was not that lumpy and the wind was very light, AND TNZ managed to do it ok. I just watched it again on the video and I am now convinced they are trying to pull the wool over the measurers eyes. The guy was fiddling around to long, and pushed down at least once (you saw his nees come up) then he put the boot into the sail to free it. By the way, the measurers couldn’t see what we could at the time, their oppinion may be different now.
And people giving TNZ stick about protesting, you can ba damned sure Alinghi would do the same to us, rules are rules.
June 28, 2007 at 7:16 pm |
Sadly, I agree with Daniel that they would do it to us.
We are not in a position where we can be the more noble team. Any penalty that we can force upon them, we should go for.
Presumably, not having a halyard up there reduced their windage, so screw ‘em!
June 28, 2007 at 7:29 pm |
Of course they would do it to us. This sort of thing happens all the time in the AC, it’s not very unusal.
Just don’t go getting you’re hopes up that the jury will give some hugely severe penalty for it as it’s a mild infraction in the scheme of things.
June 28, 2007 at 7:31 pm |
Hi guys, Ciao David G.!!! We have just to wait to see the end of this story…I hope for a re-race, but probably the penalty will be lower..anyway, I am very happy to be here, it’s an honour talking about sailing with you, kiwis.
Don’t waste this nice place with terrible words, please!!!!
I want to start the day in this blog greeting all my NZ friends!!!
CIAO CIAO
VALE
June 28, 2007 at 7:44 pm |
Yep, I agree that the penalty from the jury will be minor if at all.
I am hoping tho that the rattling of a cage or two puts Adinghy off their game
June 28, 2007 at 8:54 pm |
I think Davids comment about the Race Officials imposing a Penalty turn in a future Race is fair and reasonable . As a retired windbludger myself I believe most competitive sailors would accept that some form of retribution is due
Tom
June 28, 2007 at 8:55 pm |
Desperate TNZ supporters looking to cover up a poor day on the water by their team, I thought NZ’ers speak through action not courtrooms.
The law enforcer allowed a man to go to the top of the mast, end of story.
June 28, 2007 at 9:08 pm |
Good for you midnight, you are right, we should let Alinghi break this rule and any other they feel may keep the cup safely in Euro hands, away from us slack jawed yokels. Go the highly civilised Euro team!!!!!!!
June 28, 2007 at 9:24 pm |
“Go the highly civilised Euro team!!!!!!!”
Are you giving Alinghi a big tick Dan?
June 28, 2007 at 9:32 pm |
No, us kiwis just prefer to go sailing than look at our selves in the mirror all day.
June 28, 2007 at 9:35 pm |
Then sail on the water (where you do well), not the courtroom.
June 28, 2007 at 9:42 pm |
Hey, if the jury decides Alinghi are in breach will you accept that as a fair ruling? If you love sailing and yacht racing then you understand how important the rules are, which Kiwis all ways have. If Alinghi didn’t have a proper trip mechanism they could have saved weight in the rig, which is an unfair advantage.
June 28, 2007 at 9:55 pm |
END OF STORY!
June 28, 2007 at 9:56 pm |
As I remember the comment in the SMH, the measurers allowed him up the rig ONLY when Brad had admitted that they couldn’t drop the sail unless they did. That makes it a breach of the rule. The argument as I see it is that as they didn’t need the locking pin at the top they had less resistance p there and so an unfair advantage on the water – to me, a penalty 360 would seem justa bout right!!
Anyway
Go Team
5-2 will do me, sheesh, 54 would be fine too!
June 28, 2007 at 10:54 pm |
Hehehehe, jeepers Daniel remind me not to piss you off!
June 28, 2007 at 11:05 pm |
Hey midnight, I am european, but I feel myself absolutely kiwi!!!!! I don’t know where you live, but I can tell you that today in Europe is very difficult to find people respecting rules. On the contrary, people from NZ are absolutely honest, always respecting the others…….!!! I love rules, and I want that everybody respects them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!in every sport, especially in sailing, where you have to use body and mind, rules are very important.
ok???????
DANIEL, I AGREE WITH YOU AND YOUR RIGHT WORDS!!!!!!!!
GO ETNZ, GO KIWIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 28, 2007 at 11:17 pm |
I just read my posts, and I guess I sound just a teensy bit psyco, but thats ok its just that fierce nationalistic pride manifesting, I will be kind to you Jays, as a brother in arms, and Vale its nice to know we have some friends in Europe.
June 28, 2007 at 11:28 pm |
DANIEL, I AGREE WITH YOUR WORDS!!! UNFORTUNATLY, I AM EUROPEAN, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!!!! IT’S NOT SO CIVILIZED TO TRY TO WIN NOT RESPECTING RULES, ISN’T IT???????
June 28, 2007 at 11:45 pm |
Hi Daniel, there are a lot of people in Italy rooting for NZ in this final! Really a lot.
You have always had a lot of friends here, and we admire your love fore sailing and consider NZ in this sport the same as Brazil in football.
And Vale, I believe that it’s hard to say a Country is better or more honest than another.
People are honest or not, everywhere in the world.
There is no nationality rule in this field I think.
We must be lucky trusting the right people.
GO TNZ!!!!!!!!!!!!
I loved watching the cup in the night!!!
June 29, 2007 at 12:00 am |
I think the only fair answer is to have the race repeat.
Anything else would be unfair either Alnghi or TNZ and I do not want to see us kiwis win in a boardroom but rather on the water.
Should be a do-overover.
Has anybody got the insight on the committee meeting? Should be over soon.
Chris
June 29, 2007 at 12:16 am |
Man I can’t go to bed before knowing what’s going on. It must be out soon. To take this long, there must be a very good argument by ETNZ. Maybe they have agreed already with ETNZ, and are killing themselves over the penalty. Huge call no matter if it’s a 360 penalty at ETNZ discression or a race dock or 2 race docks, re-race etc.
Either way I feel if it was going to be shunned out the door…we would of heard by now.
June 29, 2007 at 12:21 am |
Hi Giulio, I have probably been reading to much of the negative press about NZ, and I am sure we have many friends in Europe. I have to say, I wish the series with Luna Rossa lasted a bit longer, I would rather we beat Alinghi 5-0 and Prada 5-4.
The cup in 2000 with Italy was a great series, especially the challenger final, I still have it on video. There must have been a fantastic atomosphere in Italy when you guys beat America one, it was such an awsome series.
The great thing about the Italians in 2000 was the atomosphere they created in NZ, they had respect for our country, and I think Kiwis really enjoyed having them here.
I thought Ernesto was quite rude when he was here, he seemed to have a contempt for NZ.
June 29, 2007 at 12:36 am |
Well, NZ seemed to have a contempt for Ernesto…
His precious, entitled, commercial persona pretty much goes 100% against our way of doing things, so it’s not like we’re ever likely to see eye to eye. I’m amazed Murray Jones and Co (perhaps not Butterworth) can stand to be around the guy, really.
June 29, 2007 at 12:46 am |
Thanks Daniel, and don’t count the negative press too much.
You should have read what they wrote in Italy about Luna Rossa recently after our defeat… calling them negative comments would be an euphemism.
I don’t like that sort of journalists that always jump on the bandwagon.. and let you down when you lose.
Now it’s time to fight on the water, and to win on the water!
June 29, 2007 at 1:01 am |
I watched last nights race from the Devonport yacht club, & what I gathered, Alinghi did something they shouldn’t have eh, sending a man up the mast..rules rules rules…Rematch?..hope so.
New Zealand have to win the cup eh, or the rich boys of Europe will hold it in superficial Dubai next time…Remember Peter Blake, yachting for him, was to be made available to everyone, not just the mega rich.
June 29, 2007 at 1:26 am |
Hi Giulio……I respect your point of view, ’cause we have to consider people in a single way , but generally speaking I disagree….I strongly think what I said about Nz and Europe.
Blair…did you give up eating mandarins???
June 29, 2007 at 1:41 am |
Just fuck the kiwis and their stupid protest.
June 29, 2007 at 2:04 am |
You sound awefully bothered by it. Why watch the America’s Cup if you get upset by the odd protest? This hardly compares to, say, the mess wth OneWorld in 2003.
June 29, 2007 at 2:06 am |
That’s an intelligent reply Philippe – You have a great way with words. I take it you are more than a little worried about this protest…just think, if Bert had followed the rules in the first place he wouldn’t be in this position. Makes you think doesn’t it Philippe. Go ETNZ!
June 29, 2007 at 2:16 am |
Hey mates, don’t feed the trolls…
June 29, 2007 at 2:21 am |
yes, let’s ignore trolls….
June 29, 2007 at 2:29 am |
You know what it is eh, Goliath against David, & us Kiwis will never back down from anything & will come up with some smarter sailing skills next race. I live near the water, and around here, yachting is everywhere…Ernie, sorry Ernesto, has some sort of grudge against Kiwis in general it seems, maybe he’s shit scared we’ll get the cup, again! lol.rubs hands..Oooh & lattes have gotten more expenso in Auckland since the Europeans were down here in 2003 too eh. lol
NB: We here in Devonport know him as moaning Ernie.
KIA KAHA KIWI!
June 29, 2007 at 2:34 am |
Must really be fighting it out at the protest hearing…anybody with thoughts on what is going on? This is more nail biting than the racing….
June 29, 2007 at 2:43 am |
According to the BMW Oracle blog, the protest has been dismissed.
June 29, 2007 at 2:43 am |
From the AC site:
“16.37 – The jury has dismissed the protest filed by Emirates Team New Zealand against Alinghi following Race Four… The series ramains tied at 2-2 with racing to resume on Friday at 15.00…”
June 29, 2007 at 2:46 am |
Not too surpring. Bring on tomorrow’s racing.
June 29, 2007 at 2:47 am |
Hopefully it’s rattled a few cages. Looking forward to tomorrows racing.
June 29, 2007 at 2:49 am |
The more difficult the challenge, the more reason to do it
June 29, 2007 at 4:33 am |
ok…we ‘re ready for tomorrow!!!
June 29, 2007 at 4:42 am |
Yes, lets go racing!
slightly off topic…
Good news for Karol Jablonski joining UITG – a busy week for them, first a new sail number GER 101 now a new man on the wheel. I’d like to see Jochen Schumann swallow his pride at Alinghi and go race for his home team, at least he’d get more boat time in
June 29, 2007 at 7:53 am |
Dan, alot of wasted stress you put on yourself regarding the protest, Kiwi’s are starting to get a reputation of wingers, why dont you put more energy into talking about the good points of your team and give Barker some inspiration with some positive comments. Supporters of any team can influence team moral.
June 29, 2007 at 8:12 am |
Have a look at these stills Midnight. This is what I saw on the night and thought WTH? Unfortunately you guys don’t get the same coverage that we did.
http://www.sail-world.com/nz/index.cfm??rd=n&SEID=2&SRSID=&eid=&pid=&nid=35168&srcid=0&ntid=0&tickeruid=0&tickercid=0
Cherio.
June 29, 2007 at 9:05 am |
These campaigns cost about $150 million, do you think any team would not protest something if they felt it could put them at a disadvantage? The fact that they deliberated for so long, and that it was a majority decision rather than a unanimous one, suggest to me there was a case to answer. In any case, we’ll all be tuned in to the TV come 12.30am as per usual.
June 29, 2007 at 10:47 am |
Any thoughts re reports that ETNZ are changing their bulb again (back to the “Flag” version I think)? Would they have been allowed any modifications while out of service?
June 29, 2007 at 11:01 am |
Well “Midnight” Alinghi have firmly established them selves as whingers, and I still think TNZ did the right thing against rule bending Alinghi.
By the way I think it would be fair to say that I have been one of the more positive posters on this blog regarding our team. Kiwi sports teams are generally not short of support, how many Swiss supporters in Valencia? three was it?
June 29, 2007 at 11:58 am |
[...] Protest Following today’s loss to Alinghi, Team New Zealand have lodged a protest with the Jury, regarding rule […] [...]
June 29, 2007 at 12:15 pm |
VALE: Unfortunitly, I did not eat any mandarins for that race. I had run out and neglected to get more. Dammit – I cursed NZ with that one. I couldn’t believe it mate.
I’m very happy this legal drama is over, and now I can get on with the race. Was thinking last night that if they were docked, it would feel hollow to some degree taking the cup away like that.
It’s also a shame Ernie can’t keep his mouth semi shut. I support ETNZ lodging that claim, as he would of. I support the Jury, and Dalts took it with grace. Ernie did not.
June 29, 2007 at 12:42 pm |
which members of the jury decided for and against – anyone know?
June 29, 2007 at 3:33 pm |
I doubt that will be released. The fact is: Cleared. All that counts.